Tuesday, December 10, 2013

Love humbles monsters!

I was having a conversation with a friend, who is a self-confessed atheist and rationalist, the other day.

The central point of the conversation was, when love humbles an atheist/rationalist and makes one feel powerless and helpless, would he/she act any different from the people who believe in super-natural powers? Of late, he has been going through it personally, it seems. Here goes the summary...

Of course, yes. "The practice or principle of basing opinions and actions on reason and knowledge rather than on religious belief or emotional response" - That's what 'Google define' has to say about rationalism. 

Now, my friend is in a fix. He thinks a bit too much about her, and gets emotional, involuntarily. The relation is nowhere close to a stage where he can talk to her much, let alone sharing his feelings with her. Being rational, he can't do anything foolish, despite his dreams every night. He rationalizes himself about dreams that they are just manifestation of his feelings and thoughts, and there are no more strings attached. Whereas, his believer friends in that situation take it as a positive vibe and refer to Freud's Interpretation of Dreams and celebrate.

When he comes across something like, 'if one truly loves, ones love will never fail' - he, apparently, becomes sadder as he doesn't believe in anything super-natural. As per his school of thought, love being 'true' can have no effect whatsoever 'on its own', unless it leads to some action. Whereas, believers find such things very powerful and helpful in keeping their spirits up.

Few more areas where my friend looses against believers are blessings of elders, wishes of his close friends, taking oaths and praying for divine intervention etc., None of them can console him, as all those fall under super-natural category.

Then, suddenly, we jumped out of the context and tried to replace Love with Mangalyaan (India's Mars Orbiter Mission). If we, as rationalists, are convinced that believers have all those above advantages, won't believer scientists of ISRO have the similar advantages, when ISRO chairman seeks divine help (and goes to Tiruapati with a model of satellite), as a rule, before every launch?

But, we felt, though they both look innocuously similar, they actually are not. More on those, a little later.

4 comments:

Suhas M Mallya said...

Thought-provoking post, Srinivas and here are my views:

Reciprocity - as I have recently expressed - is a very real phenomenon and he must consciously leverage that to advantage. If he basis his belief that "if one truly loves, one's love will never fail" on the principle of reciprocity, he can take solace in that path while still being in the realm of rationality.

Another interesting aspect is that you used "atheist/rationalist". Though very different, it is amazing how they go hand-in-hand. I think it is okay for your friend to believe in karma.

Belief in the principles of karma and reciprocity can be "helper function".

Good luck to him.

Er... are you by any chance referring to yourself in the third person? Just checking.

Btw, I think you meant to say love "domesticates" monsters. Not humbles them.

Srinivas Guntupalli said...

Thanks for sharing your views, Suhas!

I missed your blog on reciprocity, thanks to the death of Google reader. I just checked it. I had already tried that principle with several workers while getting my flat interiors done. Not as an experiment, but, just naturally. It didn't work :(

Don't monsters need to be humbled first in the path of domestication? I know, I can't argue with you when it comes to words and right words (Looks like, my mother didn't give me even average doses of that formulation, and I don't even have a mother-in-law :) ). So, will take it anyway.

And, thanks for 'just checking' :)

Unknown said...

Srini,

Mind is like a bank what you store is what you get, life throws several mixed options in front every individual and the rest is optional for you respond to it....rational or un rationale...it does not matter...it is only the kind thoughts and belief one has stored in his subconscious memory...which he can draw when ever he/she encounters the similar situation...working with mnd is a MAGIC...what you deposit every now and then is written as a file system which you will read...often...try to re write if it helps to get your lover....:)
this is my view...we can debate over a mug/s of beer....

Srinivas Guntupalli said...

Thanks Jagadeesh for sharing your view. But, I didn't get most of it :(

Yes, a debate over a mug of beer would be great! :)